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(Date Posted:08/01/2004 12:32:40)
I choose NOT to listen to artists who believe in the doctrine of eternal security, which says, that once you are saved you cannot lose that salvation no matter how much sin you commit. This is obviously rubbish as the Bible condemns it through and through, but unfortunately, many people subscribe to this heresy. Also unfortunate is the fact that there are Christian Hip Hop" artists who believe this heresy and they are spreading this false message to listeners everywhere. It is even being taught in some Bible Colleges and Seminaries! The Holy Bible tells the reader again and again the consequences of sin, before and after getting saved. Believers in eternal security will even go as far as to say that after you accept Christ as your Lord and Saviour (get saved),if you are still having a problem with sin then you were never really saved to begin with! People of God: Do not be fooled by this heresy. God kicked angels out of heaven and sent them to hell, will they say that they too were "never really saved to begin with"?
My purpose in this post is to find out which artists who are out now share my view and who do not. I stand for Holiness, the Lord demands it, and so I demand that my music come from artists who stand for the truth as well.
This is a very dangerous heresy which is very popular right now and has been for years. It encourages sin and is completely unscriptural, though believers in eternal security will cite various translations and man's knowledge (all the while twisting and perverting scriptures) to come up with this abhorrent view. The majority of eternal security's subscribers do not believe in speaking in tongues and also deny the healing power of the Lord Still, there are some who do Not deny the truths of tongues and healing but are still caught up in this doctrines heretical beliefs. The effects of listening to someone who believes in this Heresy can be devastating. Lyrics like "Many's never lost him, they were never there"-J-Silas allude to a belief that many people haven't backslidden, but they were never saved to begin with. This is false teaching and very dangerous. A person can be the best orator in the world...and know the Word...but it all crumbles when they get to the part about salvation. To think that the Lord will not send you to HELL if you go back on him is absolute madness. And the whole message and testimony is unavoidably tainted with this HERESY. "Once saved, always saved" or "Once in Christ, never out" are common names for it. Which brings the believer to ask: But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live?. . . Ezekiel 18:24
Believers in eternal security say yes, but God says NO!
If you know any artists who DO NOT believe in eternal security please make them known in this post. Also, if you know of any artists or schools that support this false teaching, expose them, pray for them, and know that it is not them who is to blame but satan and his lies. Bear in mind that they are not the authors of this heresy only believers who had to first be taught by another person.
God Bless.
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This post is kind of long, but here it is. I'm not afraid of a little controversy. *There are many scriptures also.
You know, most preachers say "you can't lose salvation" simply because they're afraid of controversy. They don't want to offend anyone by telling them the danger of sin. I was guilty also of that... WAS. But, after reading, studying the Word of God, and hearing testimonies, I'm to the point to where now I believe it is possible for a person that made of confession of Christ to end up in the flames. Here are my reasons:
1. We often forget God is a compassionate, emotional, and intelligent God. This means, God considers many things when it comes to judgment. Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." Meaning: God considered the fact that during that time, man sinned ignorantly (even with idols- Acts 17:30). And, even when God himself caused man to walk in ignorance so his Will could be done (1 Corinthians 2:6-7), that was during the age of Grace where ignorance was widely accepted even by God. But, not now. During this day and age, we can't make the excuse that we didn't know God's Will because it has now been revealed to us-(Acts 3:17-19). So, God intelligently judges the hearts of men, considering the reasons why we sin. God knows everyone's situation.
2. Salvation is not a title, but a spiritual condition (in which a person is in fellowship/ reconnected to God the Father through Jesus the Christ). In fact, the term we loosely use, "Saved" means- to be rescued. But, to stay rescued means to stay out of the quicksand you were just pulled from. I can save a man drowning in 20 ft of water, and pull him out of the water. But, if that man decides to run and jump back into the water, there's nothing I can do to stop him because he has a death wish. Some Christians are expecting God to save them against their will. We want to dive head-first into sin and expect God to stop us. We forget, we have free-will. God can't save a person that wants to keep diving in the pool of sin. If you're saved, stay in the ark of safety (Stay saved).
3. Many have a misconception of salvation. Although we can't say whose heart is truly with Christ, we can pick up certain hints as to whether a person has the evidence of God in their lives or not- (they will love the brethren, they will feel convicted about sin, etc...).
4. As clear as day! Hebrews 10, Ephesians 2- talks about children of disobedience... in order to disobey, you have to first be instructed. You can't disobey an order you were never given. Sinners usually don't receive the instruction of the Holy Spirit and the Word. Christians do. (1 Corinthians 2)- "We have the mind of Christ that he (the Holy Spirit) may instruct us." So, when Paul refers to the children of disobedience (who are heading for destruction) he's speaking to those that God has spoken to, but still insist on "continuing" in sin. 1 John 2, 3- No true born again believer who knows the truth and has seen God can "CONTINUE" in sin. No, they'll repent as David did. (Romans 7:14)- Even when Paul talked about constantly doing wrong, we miss his emphasis on "desiring to do right, but not knowing how", and the part where he mentions "I delight (be made soft, yielding) in the law (ways) of God after the inward man". And, Paul wasn't using that example to justify sin, but rather show us how to overcome it. How? (2 Corinthians 12:9)- only God's power can keep us from doing the things we know we shouldn't do. (John 15)- outside of constant fellowship with Christ, we're in a powerless and backslidden state where we can't do anything. We have no anointing, and not even the DESIRE to God God's will- Phil 2:13. So, in essence, Paul was instructing us to rely on God's Power by staying connected with God, not become self-righteous and self-reliant-(Roman 9:31-33).
Also, (Romans 1)- "they did not like to retain God in their knowlege... God turned them over to a reprobate mind to do those things that were convenient." In Romans 1:18, Paul acknowleged that God's anger is mainly directed at those who sin while knowing the truth ("...who hold the truth in unrighteousness."). This is in reference to those that can sin with the Bible in their hand... and think they can get away with it. Paul did ask "should we continue to sin that God's grace may abound? No. God forbid. How can we who suppose to be dead to sin actually continue to live in sin?"-(Romans 6)
5. I do believe some Christians perish for a lack of knowlege, and allow sin to take over-(2 Peter 1:9). But, I do believe this also: God, being omniscient and knowing our hearts, knows when we're trying to manipulate him or when we're really trying to live for him-(Galatians 6:7-9). This is where God seperates the sheep from the goats. Also, to whom much is given, much is required. (Deut 11:1,2)- God commissioned those Isrealites who had seen his miracles to walk holy before him, and God admitted that he didn't expect the children to be as holy because "they never got a chance to witness his works in Egypt". So, (Heb 6) those that walk closer to God can't afford to play with sin.
6. Testimonies. One book I read called "The Divine Revelation of Hell" talked about a woman who was a devout Christian until she caught her husband cheating on her. She then turned bitter and hateful, and in her heart became very unforgiving- (when Jesus said "If you don't forgive others, God won't forgive you", he was speaking to his disciples, not sinners. Meaning: it is possible for God to NOT forgive a Christian... if that Christian decides to not forgive their neighbor). But, this woman later died with a heart full of bitterness, and never repented nor forgave her husband. She was one of the souls screaming out from Hell.
Also, another testimony. I was watching Reinhard Bonke's ministry on TBN (millions of ppl in Africa saved during a single conference) and there was a man who was a PREACHER of the Gospel giving his testimony of how he died and was given a second chance. Now, it was documented even by the coroner that this man was dead for three days. His body had already been embalmed and prepped for the funeral. He died in a car accident. During Bonke's crusade, this man was brought back to life right before everyone's eyes. He was revived in the basement of the church Bonke was preaching in. Many intecessors had prayed over his body. The minister's wife believed God would bring her husband back to life, and nearly risked going to jail just to get her husband's casket w/ his body inside to the church. The police made her put the body in the basement to avoid spooking everyone out in the sanctuary during service. BUT... this preacher later shared his experience: He said an angel showed him Heaven. He saw a light brighter than the sun, and a sea of people (angels) facing this light worshipping (Assuming that was the Father). But, the angel told him he couldn't stay there in Heaven, then took him to Hell. He said it was instant, not traveling through a portal or tunnel or anything. They were in Hell instantly, standing before a big HUGE gate. It was dark there. The angel then turned to him and told him (paraphrasing), "If you were to stay dead, this would be where you'd spend eternity- in Hell. Because you were living in sin." Now, this is a preacher of the Gospel who accepted Christ as Lord, received an anointing, etc... the whole nine yards. The angel told him (paraphrasing), "God is going to give you another chance to tell people about this place and warn them to stop sinning or they'll end up here" (this applies to Christians as well as sinners). That scared the crap out of me. (2 Peter 3:9)-God is patient not willing that we perish in our sins, but that all may repent. That's why some of us aren't dead yet. That's why Christ hasn't come back just yet. God is giving us time to repent. *Oh, and Benny Hinn nearly broke his neck just to fly this African minister (the preacher spoken of with this testimony) here to America to be on his broadcast "This Is Your Day". So, you can check with Benny Hinn's ministries to validate this story if you don't believe me.
I believe Christians can end up in the flames of Hell. No one can find a scripture saying Christians can go to Hell; yet, no one can find a scripture saying they can't. Sure, God won't go against his Word, but he only immunity from the flames being offered in God's Word speaks of those that "Live according to his Will", not bear the title of Christian alone. Scripture doesn' t place emphasis on Salvation being a one time event, but rather a progression, a process. And, in some people's lives, instead of continuing to grow in Christ, they begin to grow away from Christ. And, if they miss the Grace of God, there's nothing left standing between them and Hell. And, Grace doesn't get you into Heaven. Grace simply gives you time to repent and get BACK to God. So, the Bible clearly says so, eyewitness testimonies confirm it, and I'm sure most of us know it (even if afraid to admit for sake of being ridiculed). And, while I believe God is full of wisdom and compassion and doesn't desire to send anyone to Hell and will probably be lenient towards those he knows are sincerely trying to live in his righteousness, I do believe many people will see the flames (especially those that assume they're going to get in by their works, church attendance, participation in church events, etc...). Jesus said, "Depart from me ye worker of iniquity. I never knew you." Also, (Matthew 10:33) states, "If you deny me before men on earth (meaning: not live in God's righteousness while on earth. So, you can't just say you love God in your heart and not live according to his Word), then I will deny you before my father in Heaven." *reference scripture for Mtth 10:33 found in Titus 1:16.
I dare anyone to wait and die to find out if this is true or not.
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(Date Posted:08/04/2004 04:30:28)
Also, by saying "they were never saved to begin with" is based on man's knowlege, and is being judgmental because you can't physically see what's going on inside a man. And, when you say, "If you're a Christian, then you CAN"T sin anyway. That's how I know if you sin you weren't saved to begin with,"- by making that statement, you're implying that it is IMPOSSIBLE for a man to sin, implying Christians don't struggle with human nature. You're actually calling God a liar. God said in his word, "If a man say he has no sin, he lies and the truth is not in him."
Why did God give Paul a thorn to begin with 2 Corinthians 12? It was to keep Paul humble, to keep Paul from making arrogant statements like the one above. Check it: Paul prayed 3 times to have the thorn removed, but God wouldn't move it. But, God offered another solution: Instead of taking away this thorn (mark of imperfection; sin; problem; thing that prevents you from feeling as if you're worthy to be called righteous), how about this Paul? Why don't you seek me and I fill you, thereby becoming the strength in you that keeps you from falling subject to this thorn? That would work better than taking away your human nature and having you risk committing the greatest sin- becoming Pridefull. And, Paul, if you chose not to seek me and stay connected with me, then your only other alternative is to become subject to this sin/thorn. I'm doing this to force you into a position where your survival depends on your closeness to me, and your destruction depends on your distance from me. Those I love, I chasten.
Eternal Security seekers have lost their zeal and aspiration for God, and have transformed from God-seekers to a group of "I don't want to have any thorns in or struggles with my flesh that will force me to draw close to God to defeat them. I'd just rather pretend I don't have any thorns or struggles instead"- comfort-seekers.
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Amen. You've raised some good points Tim Flemm. How dangerous do YOU think the doctrine of eternal security is to the people of God?
I for one know that it is extremely dangerous just because its advocates are actually using the Holy Bible for references and calling their heresy..."the gospel"!! All the while twisting the scriptures meanings into LIES that put peoples souls in serious danger.
Think of the potential damage that this heresy is capable of in the life of a believer. "Preachers" who believe in eternal security are misleading people into thinking they will be ok if they return to sin...What happens when the Lord comes back and they are neck deep in some sin? Heaven? The answer is HELL. The Bible is clear and repetitve in its explanation of the penalty for sin and requirements for eternal life. Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments." 15:10 "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."
Evidently, those who SIN and do not keep his commandments are NOT going to abide, right? He didn't say "If you don't keep my commandemts ...you can still abide too". The Bible lets us know time and again that God demands obedience from all his creations. To think that He...Holy as He is...would allow sin into Heaven is utterly and completely OF THE DEVIL!
Notice how they have to "explain away" the entire Bible to make it work.
Precious people of God: Avoid this doctrine and anyone who preaches it like the plague!
My goal is to find artists who I can listen to, put others on to, and support without having to worry... knowing that they don't fellowship with heresy.
And don't let them fool you with their ranting about how we are saved by grace and not by works.
A wise man once said : "My friend, cast away the false god of assurance that has been fashioned with the hands of men! Do not trust in lofty and eloquent pleas to trust in a false eternal security, but put all of your trust in Him who keeps us through a genuine, trusting, and abiding faith, that we may one day hear those wonderful words "well done, good and faithful servant."
The heresy of eternal security is quite possibly the most dangerous to the righteous among all heresies. Be vigilant, be sober, and seek the Lord with all your heart, I beg you.
I fell victim to this heresy at one point, so I know its capability. She was a student at Moody Bible Institute in Chicago. We were on a plane. I was so high in the Lord...thinking of Him every second...glowing and overflowing with his Spirit..(I was a new babe) she asked me what I had to do to get saved. I told he I accepted the Lord as my saviour and sheproceeded to tell me that reciting a certain prayer was not necessary and then proceeded to tell me that i could sin as much as I wanted and still go to Heaven. She even went as far as to say that even if I became a devil worshipper after being saved that I'd still go to Heaven. she provided scriptures for all her points. I refuted as best I could but by the end of the plane trip, I was not the same. I looked at things I had no business looking at. I thought thoughts that I should'nt have. And then I tried to convince my best friend that it was true...Thank God they didn't listen.
I know from personal experience that when believing in eternal security...you are not feeling the presence of God at all. You are in fact feeling the presence of the theologian who told that lie to you.
God bless.
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(Date Posted:08/05/2004 08:17:41)
holy house, Hey Bro.... i personally dont hold to eternal security, and i can see ur concerns for those who preach it. personally, i've never heard ANYONE "preach it" when ministering, but simply believe it and will admit it when aksed. i dont think its harmful. i've NEVER seen anyone that holds to it try to justify sin. :-) and i completely unnastand where those who do hold to are coming from, even Scripturally.....
one thing i dont like about HHH, is the lack of unity. i dont care if u got different beliefs, but i know MANY famous HHH artists that say that WOF/Pentecostal/Charismatic beliefs are heretical, they preachers are false prophets, and some will even say i'm not saved. some very popular HHH artists even refuse to collaborate with or support other HHH rappers that hold to WOF (Word of Faith) beliefs. that seems very immature to me, i would never divise myself against another Brethren like that.
i do think you are going too far by purposely not listening or supporting any HHH artists that hold to OSAS. i unnastand where ya comin from tho', thats juz my 2 cents. God bless
luv, kobe
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(Date Posted:08/05/2004 21:20:44)
I believe in Eternal Security, and I would be willing to discuss this biblically, ONE POINT AT A TIME. If any support for loss of salvation can be supported by scripture PLACED IN ITS PROPER CONTEXT, I will repent.
I would ask that one section of text would be posted at a time, so that we may discuss it in it's entirety before moving on to another. Fair enough?
God bless,
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(Date Posted:08/08/2004 08:07:34)
The Bible is loaded with scriptures that speak of the punishment to come for those that go back on God. And it doesn't take a degree, or seminary training, or alternate translation to understand what they mean. I am all for studying diligently, but at some point you have to allow the Holy Spirit to lead you...and put away the books. You can have a head FULL of book knowledge and be just as dry as a powder house spiritually. If you are believing in eternal security you have NO power. Why do you need any power if you're eternally secure? Why live right? Heck, we might as well throw out the entire Bible if eternal security is true, right!! And believers in this heresy will attemp to explain away verses, getting away from what the verse alreadly says plainly. My friend...4sight...I went from a bible believing spirit filled ministry to being led astray by the notion of eternal security. Rather than me laying scriptures on you and risking debating the Word of God...I think you can really benefit from my own personal experience...
I was on cloud 9 spiritually...I was so close to God that I could almost touch Him. I mean hearing from Him daily...Praying and talking with Him on my knees 20 to 30 times a day. I rode the bus everyehere I went. I remained faithful to Him. I brought my thoughts under the subjection of the Holy Spirit. I changed my actions and my thoughts and gave Him all the Glory. I went through my life and this world with a fine toothed spiritual comb. Every word, glance, action, thought, that came from me I took control of and lined it up with His Word and His Spirit. Next thing I knew there was a car waiting for me in the driveway. A gift from my parents. Glory to God because I knew right away that it was God who had put it in my parents heart to purchase that car for me. Doors began to open up for me. When I walked in to rooms it was like I floated in...and commanded the attention of the entire room. People began to watch what they said around me. They would apologize for using foul language or themes. They began to think about this God that I served. They saw the unbelievable peace that I had about me. I have never felt peace like that before. Peace in the midst of storms. Joy in times of sorrow. People would ask me questions about the Lord and the Bible. People broke down into tears when I spoke to them. Glory to God because I know that it was not me but Christ in me. My young son looked at me with stars in his eyes. I never felt like such a good dad in my life. Christ was in me and people could see it, including me. My mother broke down into tears because the power of God was so strong on my life and there was such a change " I just feel like we're losing you" she cried to me. "I know", I replied. she was losing me...The old me. I was able to reach my parents in conversations...I was so concerned with their salvation that it was all I talked about. And they started most of the conversations. I prayed with my mother over her hospital bed after her hip replacement. My father and sister were there. It was the first time I had prayed publicly with them, but the Lord was leading me to do it, so I did. I was preparing to go to Chicago for a family reunion. My family was unsaved and I was the only saved individual around. Drinking, cursing, marijuana, covetous and aldulterous talk was all arond me, but it was my family...Part of me felt an allegiance to my family name and the devil tried to get me to feel stupid about the things I was doing and the things that I refused to do. I took a stand for what I believed...A stand for Jesus. My grandfathers 80th birthday party took place while I was there! I wanted to join my family in celebration badly...Instead I chose not to dance to the worldly music, even though everyone else was, and even though it was his 80th birthday and I had only seen him one other time 15 years prior. Eleven uncles and aunts. I have a big family on my dad's side. I love them all dearly even though I rarely see them... But I had my spiritual eyes in for the whole trip. I held up my standards and didn't give in. I continued to walk upright before the Lord in the midst of temptation and trials. The Lord told me that I had to be the light for my family. I HAD to do what I did if even to plant a seed in someone. I was always looking for opportunities to witness. I had already experience what they were going through and more and now I had an obligation to God to be an example for them. I had a pressing feeling inside that it was so vital for me to walk upright before them...I knew that the last days were upon us...My heart went out to my family. On the return flight home...I sat down in my seat and a young woman approached me and said that I was in her seat. I informed her that there must be some mistake since my ticket stated that it was infact my seat. (Note how the devil works here)
Somehow there was computer glitch that caused two of the same ticket to be printed, forcing me and this young lady to sit next to each other. I was on cloud 9 anyway...She was reading a book. "Whatcha readin?" I asked perkily. It was some sort of psycholgy book but then in smaller print it said something like "in relation to the Christian life" or something like that. "Oh cool!" I said. I was excited that I might be sitting next to someone who might be a Christian and the possibility of us talking about the Lord for the time we had. She told me that she was a student at moody Bible institute in Chicago. "Are you saved?", she asked. "YES!", I exclaimed. "Can I ask what you had to do to be saved?", she asked. I told her that I had said the "sinners prayer" and that my method of thinking had changed and I began to change my actions, thoughts, speech, etc...With God's help. I told her that I was so happy to be in a "full gospel" ministry that didn't compromise the Word of God. She began to tell me that I could not "work out" my salvation and that if I had to "work at it", "then wasn't really trusting God." Hmmmm...she made me think. I had told her that it was difficult at times and she was telling me that I wasn't really trusting God if it was hard and I had to "grit my teeth" at times. "Maybe I'm not trusting God", I thought. I had minimal Bible knowledge at the time but I offerd what I could and she presented me with scriptures which seemed to back up what she was saying. She told me that scriptures which made mention of death...meant physical death, not spiritual. It didn't mean you'd be sent to hell is what she told me, although it seemed to say just that. She told me that if you went back into sin after being saved that it meant you were just out of fellowship with God...you were still saved and would go to heaven. "Well, what if you decide that you wanna be a devil worshipper, or a witch, or a murderer?", I asked...
"What then? Would I still go to heaven?" "Yes" she told me. "You just aren't gonna bear any fruit hjere on earth", she said. "And if you keep on messing up and sinning...God will just kill you and take you up to be with Him!", she said. "I know it seems like a funny way of doing things, but its true", she said. Well...I was taken aback. She had shown me scriptures and everything.... She also told me that if people backslid that they were never really saved to begin with. We moved on to the topic of speaking in tongues. She told me that it was not for today and that studies had been done on it which showed that people could do it on command, so it was just altogether fake. Healing: She told me that more people would be coming forward in the news if healing was possible. She told me that healing was not for today. She told me that her parents were missionaries. BOY!!! This whole encounter threw me for a loop! I immediately wondered about the possibility of getting away with sin. I came up with a virtual laundry list of sins that I wanted to commit within a matter of minutes. I wanted to believe what she said was true! I wanted to be able to still sin, have illicit sex, get high, WHATEVER! If I'd still get into heaven, thats all that mattered! I walked through the airport a different person then when I left for Chicago. No longer did I have the Godly glow that caught everyones eye. I looked at women lustfully. I commited adultery in my heart. Iwatched tv that I didn't watch before. I didn't worry...Or at least I pretended not to worry because I thougt I was eternally secure. I went to my friend who had brought me into the church. I noticed his carefulness around me. He was always in the spirit and cautious...Rightly so. I couldn't hold the news of my trip and more importantly the new information that I had found. I said exactly what she had said to me to him and his mother. They used the term "eternal security". They treated me like I had been infected with a contagious virus. Rightly so. They were still loving in the Lord, but they had been saved MUCH longer that I and had encountered this heresy before. I wasn't trying to hear a word that they said. I wanted to sin. I sought to pull them right down with me. I wanted company in the belief thet I could sin and that it didn't take all the effort we had been putting into our walk. I fell into sexual sin, masturbation, lasciviousness...All the while I used eternal security as justification and I learned to create in my mind excuses for my behavior. I no longer had attention when I entered rooms. My co workers seems to regress at the slightest hint of regression in my life. God had called me to be a light in my family's life as well as others...People didn't want to hear what I had to say. Doors were closed on me. I couldn't hear from God anymore. This was real.
Brothers and sisters...I beg you...Please do not take your salvation lightly. Do not listen to people that say your works do not matter. Do not listen to individuals who stress terms like "God's grace" or "Jesus plus nothing". You cannot have eternal life from a Holy God , practicing sin. Continue making sacrifices for the Lord...He honors that. Keep on "working out your salvation." Whatever you have to do...If you have to walk barefoot as a goose and naked to keep from sinning...Do it in the name of Jesus. The devil wants you to believe that you don't have to try to stop sinning. He knows the Word of God and tries to use it against God's people. He'll tell you you're not trusting God if you are working at being saved...He'll tell you that if you're having trouble that you were never really saved to begin with. The young woman on the plane told me that all I had to do was believe in God. Thats it. I said, "Well, believing means DOING what he says, right?". "Since when did believing become doing?", she asked. People of God...You know that the Word says faith without works is dead...and you know that the Word says "If ye love me, keep my commandments"...Believers in eternal security are spiritually dead. They have no power. No Holy Ghost. They may talk good and have boatloads of man's knowledge but the Bible says you will know them by their fruits. They have been tricked in to believing one of satans best lies unto the righteous and are under satans control. Skreet Preacha: You said that you don't think this heresy is harmful. You could never be more wrong. I have experienced it firsthand. How could you support a doctrine that encourages sin? How could someone dare to call it "the gospel" How can light fellowship with darkness? I will NEVER listen to artists who support eternal security. They are false teachers, spreading a false message because satan lied to them. Seminary means NOTHING. There is enough in the King James Bible to let me know whats right...and whats wrong. Amen.
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(Date Posted:08/08/2004 09:18:14)
Holyhouse-
Consider this....do you avoid sin because you hope to go to heaven? ..or do you sin not because you desire to please your father?
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