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(Date Posted:12/29/2005 19:07:09)
well i dunno why truth.but i will tell you this.not every millionaire has that belief system.im starting to think that a lot of christians think multi-millionaires are sin filled and will never goto heaven.thats might seem off but ive been reading some of stuff on this board and alot of yall seem scared to be rich.thats kinda messed up in my opinion.
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(Date Posted:12/29/2005 19:13:30)
oh and by the way.i didnt see the message that "skreet" had but i will tell you this.its easy for him to say stuff like "its harder to avoid sexual temptation after marriage".the man is married.hes having sex.hes not going through the stuff that single christians go through.and im sure he might object to that but WHATEVER......
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(Date Posted:12/29/2005 20:09:30)
Thanks Tex-Iz. Prayerfully, you and Skreet will move past that issue. I know ya'll are in continuous disagreement over the marriage and sex issue. Yes, you are right, I don't believe that having money is evil.
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(Date Posted:12/29/2005 21:04:05)
i aint finna waste my time defending kirk again, because i had good points on why the Oprah show painted him in a wrong light.... and for the last time Tex, lol, do you think i was BORN married!? LOL, i was a "single Christian" for a long time! lol. and since i've been where you havent (marriage), i have more experience to testify on the issue, that in most cases, lust becomes much MORE prevalant AFTER marriage, not before. God bless
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(Date Posted:12/30/2005 04:02:03)
well skreet.atleast u have a wife to lust over.its pretty obvious me and you are never gonna agree on that.
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(Date Posted:12/30/2005 17:01:41)
The Bishop's gonna throw his 2 cents in...
First, since none of us is Kirk Franklin, we cannot know why he did what he did. Personally, I think (Bishops Note: I'm using the word "I think" because I don't know so therefore it is opinion) he did it to air it our nationwide and the world over. Why? Think about it this way. Kirk became a major label artist awhile back. He's not an indie artist but a major artist. This means that he's up there with the likes of Jay Z, Kanye West, Gwen Stefani, Coldplay. Starting to get the picture? The higher you get on the ladder, the more accountable you are for your actions. That's just by the world's standards. We as Christians are held to an even higher acount and thus are held even more responsible for our actions. You can't mess up as a major artist and admit it on an indie level.
This next point is opinion as well. Why did Brad and Jennifer break up? Because I think Brad had affairs with Angelina Jolie. The evidence speaks for itself and now what? Brad and Angelina are running out kicking it! Nevertheless, Brad and Jennifer got divorced and it was worldwide news! They are major icons so it's a major story. There were newspapers, magazines, and all other types of medium that stated the story and came up with their own thoughts and opinions about what happened.
KIrk, knowing all of this, decided (Bishop's Note: Being a married man, I also know that his wife has a lot to do with it as well.) that it would be best to go on a show that would tell the world what happened. That makes good sense. Why? Because in front of millions of women, he got to tell his side of the story HIS WAY before anyone else could say otherwise. The media can't have a field day in this case because he got on national TV and aired out his dirt. It also makes good business sense. What gender mostly occupies The Oprah Winfrey Show? WOMEN! If record companies that target women and young girls to market their music and put out garbage, how much more of an impact will a man have standing up in front of some of those same women, admitting that he did dirt, repented, and handled it like a man should in doing so? You start to respect him as a person and as a Child of God!!
Lastly, people need to realize that people are just ordinary people. We all do dirt, make mistakes, lie, cheat, steal, bear false witness, lust for things and people, and by nature are greedy. This part is the truth. Just because someone is a Gospel Artist, Minister, Pastor, or whatever doesn't mean that they won't make mistakes and do dirt. It's not what one does that makes them foul...it's what they do about it after it's done. One doensn't become a champion without failing at times. Remember also that God won't let continued dirt happen without some recourse. That recourse, in Kirk's case, was mostly him admitting what he did not just in private, but worldwide as well.
I hope this will help everyone!
Just my gold boullion up in dis peesh!!
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(Date Posted:12/30/2005 18:14:13)
Thanks Seventh Knight! That's exactly what I needed to read and it all makes sense.
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(Date Posted:12/30/2005 19:21:32)
lol, but Tex, no offense, but your opinion doesnt hold any weight, because you're talking about things you dont know about or have experienced. i wonder if you disagree with your pastor so sharply about stuff you dont know about yet?
either way, the good news, is that it doenst HAVE to be harder after marriage. the person just needs to be mature in Christ and secure in the faith. i didnt have a problem with lust/temptation before marriage, but i was also a fairly new Christian and very immature in a lot of ways. While i think i was a special case, and it was Gods time and will for me to be married (already having 2 kids with the mother, before salvation), the path of marriage for others who know better is much longer, patient and mature process. God bless
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(Date Posted:12/30/2005 19:29:41)
well skreet you must have been a special case.becuase with my situation i'll probably have to deal with temptation and lust more before marriage.i just think that after marriage i'll be able to focus my lust,passion towards my wife.thats how im seeing it.
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(Date Posted:12/30/2005 19:57:33)
oh okay, you did post it publicly. ya'll, this below is my response to when he PM me that shortly ago, can we please get some mature Brothers to testify to help this guy. i think he'll be much more likely to listen if he can hear it from some more married men:
oh, Tex-iz, i can tell you with a 110% confidance that you are DEAD WRONG!! that was the WORST thing you can say! and you are setting yourself up for a HUGE FALL thinking that way! Bro, please understand, i'm your brother in Christ. i'm not tryin to diss you or hurt u or nuthin, but only to help... may i post this sentence publicly to other married brothers so they can testify to you too? its up to you. but that is the exact OPPOSITE of where you want to be! LUST is not of God. if you feel tempted to lust now, it'll be MUCH worse after you get married, not just towards your wife (which is wrong, because she aint no piece of meat for you to fulfill your evil desires!), but towards other women!
besides that Bro, you are nowhere NEAR ready for marriage! no offense, and thats common at your age. but ALL you talk about is sex! which shows your addiction to it. let it go! you have no business even THINKING of it if you aint married! thats what lust (a sin, according to Bible) is; thinking about sex.
understand my exclamations arent because i'm mad, its because you are going in the opposite direction and i want you to see the light! love you man, God bless
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(Date Posted:12/30/2005 21:38:43)
Transforming back into "The Holy Hip Hop Bishop" again...LOL
This is for Tex-iz and Skreetpreacha. Just a view coming from a married man.
Okay...as far as the temptation thing goes...
Every man and women is tempted by it now matter how strong they are in Christ or how much they love their spouse. I've been married for 15 years and we were together 5 years before that. Yes, I see other women that turn me on. It's natural for a man to be attracted to a woman and vice versa. Yes, I will get a thought in my head. But the difference is that as soon as it happens, I dismiss the thought in most cases. If the girl is really fine, it takes me a little longer to dismiss the the thoughts. The point is...I do remove those thought(s) in order for me not to fall into temptation. It's one thing to notice that a lady looks nice but it's another thing when you say to yourself, "Dang...I'd like to tap that booty." because at that point you're into lust. That's why I have to dismiss any thoughts as soon as possible.
It's hard to resist temptation when you're single and it's even harder when you become married. it's hard to resist temptation from a married man's standpoint. Especially when a girl says, "I don't care if you're married. I just want to feel you inside me. I won't tell nobody. I won't get pregnant to trap you. All I want is your body. Just call me when you need some." That, for some men, is a dream come true and the resistance to that temptation becomes even harder and he becomes more prone to go ahead and fulfill his fantasy. God cannot make choose whether or not to fall into temptation....that's our choice. We choose to walk straight into it or we choose to turn away from it and keep moving.
God does give us the means to repent and walk away. He gives us the means to stand strong in the true principles of staying fatithful to your spouse. With all of that power at our disposal, we are still just human. We need to recognize that in order to move forward.
Just some more gold boullion up in this peesh!!
Shalom
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(Date Posted:01/02/2006 21:51:09)
whats good,
just wanted to add a little comment.
I believe we are making a mistake in thinking lust and marriage have any effect on one another. Lust and temptation are also different. If you have a problem with lust, unless you completly drown it in a passionate relationship with Christ, you will always have that problem. The very nature of all sin is to take you deeper and deeper into darkness until it finally kills you. What starts as lust can lead to pornography to phornication to perversion (orgies, homosexuality, beastiality) until nothing can possibly fill your sexual apitite and you are eventually killed in some way by your perversion.
marriage is not the cure for lust. Jesus is. As Kirk demonstrates by being addicted to porn as a married man. Until you commit to training your eyes, thoughts and flesh in general this will always be a problem. As Kirk said towards the end of the interview that God has completly delivered him. This is what I believe was Kirk's reasoning behind his appearance on Oprah. The way it appeared to me is that Oprah contacted Kirk and not vice-versa because if you guys remember, the whole show was prompted by a letter from a female viewer who wrote in seeking help for her crumbling marriage. She and her husband were seperating because of his addiction to porn. I believe Oprah found Kirk while researching the topic for her viewer, and chose Kirk because of his noteriety and the fact that he is one of the few talking about the subject.Which he has been doing for a while in different magazines, TV and conference platforms. To my knowledge he at no point publicised his albums which some in this and other forums have alluded to. I think his being on Oprah was benefecial to that one veiewer that happened to be watching at the particular time when he said that GOD completly took the taste for porn out of his mouth and he no longer struggles with the addiction. Wchich he said after Oprahs pschologist said that porn was somthing that if addicted you would have to suffer with for the rest of your life.
Ok that was my alot more than 2 cents.
by the way I am 26 and married only for three years, and did an exstenisve amount of dating prior to that. My advice to all wo realize that they are attracted to the opposite sex, (if you are attracted to the same sex you have bigger fish to fry) learn all you can about what it means to be a husband or wife. Dont wait till you're engaged. Find out now. It will save you alot of drama.
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